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how do I find the natural key of my voice?
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d***@yahoo.com
2006-10-05 09:32:56 UTC
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I thought I might buy an autoharp; the "diatonic" type appeals to me.
They are available in different keys; each one can truly only support
its key.

How do I decide wich key my singing voice falls in?
Steve Latham
2006-10-05 15:45:32 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.com
I thought I might buy an autoharp; the "diatonic" type appeals to me.
They are available in different keys; each one can truly only support
its key.
How do I decide wich key my singing voice falls in?
Sing along with another instrumentalist, such as a guitarist, and find what
key your voice most naturally falls in. I've got to say though, I think
you're being a bit limited. It's really impractical to always try to sing
everything "in your key". There may be many songs whose range force you to
sing it in a key that fits your vocal range, rather than your "natural"
singing key. Furthermore, you might be better off selecting keys that other
instrumentalists play, rather than what suits your voice (as they may not be
able to transpose easily either). Guitarists and string band type
instrumentalists tend to prefer keys like E, A, D, and G, but tend to stay
away from things like Bb or Gb. There are of course capos for those guys to
use to transpose, but you might want to consider other factors than just
your preferred key.

Good Luck,
Steve
Doug
2006-10-05 17:06:18 UTC
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Sing your favorite, best sounding note. Now find that note on the
piano. That is your "natural" key...
Post by d***@yahoo.com
I thought I might buy an autoharp; the "diatonic" type appeals to me.
They are available in different keys; each one can truly only support
its key.
How do I decide wich key my singing voice falls in?
Dan McGarvey
2006-10-05 22:58:53 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.com
I thought I might buy an autoharp; the "diatonic" type appeals to me.
They are available in different keys; each one can truly only support
its key.
How do I decide wich key my singing voice falls in?
*sigh*

It's really irritating when non voice professionals try to answer questions
like this (no offense Steve).

No one, absolutely no one, who has any serious experience with singing
describes their voice as an "A-flat" voice, for example. The physiology of
the human voice doesn't work that way; you're not a harmonica.

Voices have ranges, not keys. What you're really interested in is
discovering what your best range is. For the average adult male, who
doesn't sing regularly, I usually expect a range from around B-flat or A
near the bottom of the bass clef staff to about E-flat or E above the bass
clef staff. For an adult female, I expect around A-flat below the treble
clef staff to anywhere from D to F at the top of the treble staff. Your
range maybe slightly larger or smaller; gaining range is easy to do with
regular practice and learning to negotiate the extreme parts of your ranges.

Now where keys come into play in all of this depends on the range and/or
tessitura of the song you're singing. Here's an example: let's say your
highest useful note is F# at the top of the treble staff and your lowest
note is, say, G below the treble staff. You're given a song in E, but this
song goes all the way up to A above the treble staff. You'll need to key it
down to either D-flat or C to be able to navigate the higher notes more
ealily. In that case, your best key >>for that song<< is D-flat or C. Now,
let's say you're given a song in B-flat, and the lowest note is D, a perfect
fourth below your best low note. You'll want to key it up to E-flat or E so
you can get the lowest notes.

I could invent examples like this all day, but it's that simple. The wisest
thing you could do right now is spend about fifteen munites with an actual
voice teacher (someone with an education and experience). Have this person
vocalize you to find out what your best range is. You'll be given a general
designation about the range and timbre of your voice, such as Alto, or
Baritone. Those sorts of descriptions are much more useful when you want to
sing with others. If you ever hear people say stuff like, "I only sing in
D," they're pretentious idiots with no clue what it means to be a real
singer (and chances are they suck in D and every other key).

Dan
Steve Latham
2006-10-06 00:03:14 UTC
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Post by Dan McGarvey
Post by d***@yahoo.com
I thought I might buy an autoharp; the "diatonic" type appeals to me.
They are available in different keys; each one can truly only support
its key.
How do I decide wich key my singing voice falls in?
*sigh*
It's really irritating when non voice professionals try to answer
questions like this (no offense Steve).
No one, absolutely no one, who has any serious experience with singing
describes their voice as an "A-flat" voice, for example.
Just to offer a different viewpoint Dan, I meet plenty of Country and
Bluegrass singers who DO describe their voices as fitting X key best. It's
not a question of range for them. Instead, they find they have natural
breaks in their voices that make some notes work better than others. For
instance, many can nail the C# in the key of A but have trouble with the C
in other keys. I'm no singer, but I have trouble with the note D. B Major is
a good key for me, D is not. So we don't have "serious experience" singing,
and as a result do think in keys.

Best,
Steve
Dan McGarvey
2006-10-06 01:05:30 UTC
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Post by Steve Latham
Post by Dan McGarvey
Post by d***@yahoo.com
I thought I might buy an autoharp; the "diatonic" type appeals to me.
They are available in different keys; each one can truly only support
its key.
How do I decide wich key my singing voice falls in?
*sigh*
It's really irritating when non voice professionals try to answer
questions like this (no offense Steve).
No one, absolutely no one, who has any serious experience with singing
describes their voice as an "A-flat" voice, for example.
Just to offer a different viewpoint Dan, I meet plenty of Country and
Bluegrass singers who DO describe their voices as fitting X key best. It's
not a question of range for them. Instead, they find they have natural
breaks in their voices that make some notes work better than others. For
instance, many can nail the C# in the key of A but have trouble with the C
in other keys. I'm no singer, but I have trouble with the note D. B Major
is a good key for me, D is not. So we don't have "serious experience"
singing, and as a result do think in keys.
I'm really glad you brought this up.

There are a couple ideas about the break: one is that you have one,
singular. Another is that the voice actually has several breaks, only one
of which is prominent enough to be noticed when phonating in that range. My
way of teaching voice endorses the former, as I've never seen any concrete
evidence of these "sub-breaks" in a voice student.

One of the first things I do with my voice students is to have them vocalize
up to their break, feel how it works, then introduce them to exercises that
teach you how to smooth it over, which eventually leads to the ability to
sing strong notes on the break. Yours sits on D. So does mine, and in fact
it's around C# and D for most adults. Using the right exercises, with time,
you could be singing D all the live long day and think it effortless.

So now I learn about a school of thought that espoues avoiding the break
rather than learning how to work through it. I'm sorry, but I think that's
just plain foolish. Whatever style or genre you make a living in, the break
should never be used as an excuse to favor certain keys, as it's a very easy
thing to learn to work around, and why limit yourself? In my experience
singers who do that don't get work.

I think I still have to stand by my original response. I'm not comfortable
with sending a voice novice down that road.

Dan
Steve Latham
2006-10-06 16:16:27 UTC
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"Dan McGarvey" <***@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:AO

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Post by Dan McGarvey
I'm really glad you brought this up.
Well, I do what I can :-)
Post by Dan McGarvey
There are a couple ideas about the break: one is that you have one,
singular. Another is that the voice actually has several breaks, only one
of which is prominent enough to be noticed when phonating in that range.
My way of teaching voice endorses the former, as I've never seen any
concrete evidence of these "sub-breaks" in a voice student.
Interesting. I'd always heard there were more, albeit subtle ones, but I've
never heard anyone complaining about more than one in disucssion.
Post by Dan McGarvey
One of the first things I do with my voice students is to have them
vocalize up to their break, feel how it works, then introduce them to
exercises that teach you how to smooth it over, which eventually leads to
the ability to sing strong notes on the break. Yours sits on D. So does
mine, and in fact it's around C# and D for most adults.
Well, that's interesting. At least I'm "average" in that respect!

Using the right exercises, with time,
Post by Dan McGarvey
you could be singing D all the live long day and think it effortless.
Well, since I play in a rock band, and there's a much more significant
chance of a song being in G, D, A, E (mixolydian no less), etc., rather than
B (even bm is far more common) I HAVE to sing Ds all the live long day. But
since it's rock, a little out-of-tuneness is allowed with the appropriate
facial grimaces!
Post by Dan McGarvey
So now I learn about a school of thought that espoues avoiding the break
rather than learning how to work through it.
Let's not call it a "school", but a "non-school".

I'm sorry, but I think that's
Post by Dan McGarvey
just plain foolish.
I agree. It's limiting. I don't think people should limit themselves. What
I'm talking about is within a certain groups of "untrained" musicians. It's
the same people who will put a capo on the guitar rather than learning the
chord forms for other keys. I used to stand there with these guys and
transpose capoed parts by sight as they played (i.e. watching them play a G
shape with a capo on the third fret, and understanding that was Bb) - in a
funny way, they're inability to transpose without a crutch actually helped
me develop my ability to transpose at will. Vocally, I think they're
exhibiting the same "crutch". But they're satisfied doing what they do.

Whatever style or genre you make a living in,

They do it for fun mostly.

the break
Post by Dan McGarvey
should never be used as an excuse to favor certain keys, as it's a very
easy thing to learn to work around, and why limit yourself?
Agreed.

In my experience
Post by Dan McGarvey
singers who do that don't get work.
Yeah. I agree again. They're not interested in getting work though, so it's
not a big issue.
Post by Dan McGarvey
I think I still have to stand by my original response. I'm not
comfortable with sending a voice novice down that road.
No, definitely not. Anyone getting any amount of training should be made
aware of any such deficiency of thought and actually get to singing. I'm
informing you more from the standpoint of "just to let you know there are
folks like this out there" in case you encounter any, you'd know where they
were coming from.

Best,
Steve
LosBenos
2006-10-06 21:09:06 UTC
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I agree with Dan here, first week of UNI all singers were taught to practise
singing smoothly from full voice to head voice smoothly over the break. With
a bit of practise you should be able to siren from your lowest note to your
highest without it breaking in the middle.

David Webber
2006-10-06 10:26:42 UTC
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...
Voices have ranges, not keys. ...
As a distinctly non-voice professional, I find it refreshing to hear this -
it feels obvious :-)

Dave
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